Jan 26, 2016
Donald Rumsfeld talks with Mike Barnicle about the ongoing fight against ISIS

Former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld talks with Morning Joe’s Mike Barnicle about the ongoing fight against ISIS. “Last week we had your successor in, Robert Gates, and we asked him for his view on the things some of the candidates running for president are saying in regard to how they would handle the growth of ISIS and increasing tumult in the Middle East. His view was that some of the candidates just didn’t know what they were talking about. What’s your view?,” asks Mike of Rumsfeld. Hear the former Secretary describe the “known knowns” and “known unknowns” in the asymmetrical fight against enemies who are willing to die. Rumsfeld also talked about his new game — a video game app called “Churchill Solitaire.”